Without question, this is the single most depressing podcast I have ever heard on “Israel from the Inside.” I would not have been surprised if Prof. Maghen had been speaking of some suburban community or a university campus here in the USA. But to learn of this as a commonplace, albeit unspoken of, issue in the Jewish State is nothing less than shattering. The podcast on the situation in the Negev, as bad as that was, offered no hint as to this situation. I am all the more perplexed as I would have thought many-to-most of the Jewish undergraduates are IDF veterans who would have a low threshold of tolerance for this abuse. So too for Israeli society as a whole. Listeners were promised a second podcast in which Prof. Maghen will offer a solution. It cannot come soon enough.
Interesting, I'm not sure rumbles in the streets will solve anything, tho the amount of mafia-style crime in Israel is disturbing. That said, there is something to be said about appearances and exuding strength. "Walk softly but carry a big stick"...was that Roosevelt? Hoover? I feel like there's a delicate balance here...you don't want to seem like a pushover, but you don't want daily rioting.
Where are the police?? are they that poorly funded? Is all of the money just going to the army & fighting Iran? For a country whose wealth is sky rocketing, I'm wondering where all of the tax dollars are going? Sounds like there's a severe teacher shortage too
btw can't they send the new immigrants to these places? Those people are usually pretty tough and have a lot more to fight for if they can't just flee to larger Israeli cities.
Maybe get some of those devout settlers to go to these places, those people seem to be some real stalwarts.
let me say, from the outset, that what you propose is repugnant in the extreme. However, it is important to remember a few aphorisms that, while also repugnant are true and necessary.
One should never bring a knife to a gun fight.
As David Ben Gurion said, we will behave properly, but we will not commit suicide.
It is clearly sad that we must now, after 70+ years of independence finally face what we did in 1948 (and in every year since). When the security and well being of the state is at risk, there are really no limits to the measures that we must take. I am not expressing support for the abrogation of the rights of the citizens, but rather supporting the notion of protecting the state and its citizens when faced with those who don't care who we are and wish to kill us.
Sadly, there is a wide divergence between the activities which are considered acceptable in the society of the Jews, and in the society of the Arabs. I would like to think that we could admit all of them to "charm schools", but I admit that is not a realistic approach.
So, at the end of the day, we are forced to "fight fire with fire" as reprehensible as it is to us. In a way, its much like the situation faced by Ben Gurion and the other founding fathers of the country.
Without question, this is the single most depressing podcast I have ever heard on “Israel from the Inside.” I would not have been surprised if Prof. Maghen had been speaking of some suburban community or a university campus here in the USA. But to learn of this as a commonplace, albeit unspoken of, issue in the Jewish State is nothing less than shattering. The podcast on the situation in the Negev, as bad as that was, offered no hint as to this situation. I am all the more perplexed as I would have thought many-to-most of the Jewish undergraduates are IDF veterans who would have a low threshold of tolerance for this abuse. So too for Israeli society as a whole. Listeners were promised a second podcast in which Prof. Maghen will offer a solution. It cannot come soon enough.
Interesting, I'm not sure rumbles in the streets will solve anything, tho the amount of mafia-style crime in Israel is disturbing. That said, there is something to be said about appearances and exuding strength. "Walk softly but carry a big stick"...was that Roosevelt? Hoover? I feel like there's a delicate balance here...you don't want to seem like a pushover, but you don't want daily rioting.
Where are the police?? are they that poorly funded? Is all of the money just going to the army & fighting Iran? For a country whose wealth is sky rocketing, I'm wondering where all of the tax dollars are going? Sounds like there's a severe teacher shortage too
btw can't they send the new immigrants to these places? Those people are usually pretty tough and have a lot more to fight for if they can't just flee to larger Israeli cities.
Maybe get some of those devout settlers to go to these places, those people seem to be some real stalwarts.
let me say, from the outset, that what you propose is repugnant in the extreme. However, it is important to remember a few aphorisms that, while also repugnant are true and necessary.
One should never bring a knife to a gun fight.
As David Ben Gurion said, we will behave properly, but we will not commit suicide.
It is clearly sad that we must now, after 70+ years of independence finally face what we did in 1948 (and in every year since). When the security and well being of the state is at risk, there are really no limits to the measures that we must take. I am not expressing support for the abrogation of the rights of the citizens, but rather supporting the notion of protecting the state and its citizens when faced with those who don't care who we are and wish to kill us.
Sadly, there is a wide divergence between the activities which are considered acceptable in the society of the Jews, and in the society of the Arabs. I would like to think that we could admit all of them to "charm schools", but I admit that is not a realistic approach.
So, at the end of the day, we are forced to "fight fire with fire" as reprehensible as it is to us. In a way, its much like the situation faced by Ben Gurion and the other founding fathers of the country.
We have a problem of Jewish crime and extortion as well that police are afraid or unable to confront.